SS eagles

flak88 · Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 5

there is a whole collection of SS eagles in the for sale ads. does anybody know if they are good or not. i like a couple of them but i'm not sure if i should buy. help.

frankie · Joined: 18 Jul 2007 Posts: 3

They look ok to me... I don't think much of the prices

flak88 · Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 5

I found this one on the web for $225. I'm kind of new at this and would appreciate help. Is this a good deal?

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x142/flak88_01/GEN-PANZER3.jpg

piper · Joined: 13 Jul 2007 Posts: 8

Looked at the picture of the eagle. Something about the shape doesn't seem right to me. It looks like he got socked in the beek!

JPic79 · Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 6

The collection for sale is mixed some are bad. The bullion eagle is also bad IMO

Combat Relics · Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 161

Some people get a supply of knowledge, and begin to throw the weight of their opinions around no matter what the consequences. For some unknown reason, some collectors feel the need to be important and honored for their OPINIONS.

The funny thing about being an expert is that every time one learns something previously unknown, or discover something previously believed is incorrect, they should realize that they are NOT quite that expert after all.

Often an expert's 'Help,' will consist of crucifying an item, or its seller with little evidence there is any problem whatsoever, with either.

Usually this will be done with a loose offhand remark, which indicates the worth of the opinion. If it isn't worth elaborating on what item and all the specific reasons it is not 'right', why is it he should casting doubt on all of these eagles?

Please understand that I am not saying this person has no knowledge. I am sure he has a large amount of experience.

The method of proffering vague opinions, with no qualification as to what exactly and specifically he perceives as a problem, seems a sloppy approach to this issue. If there is a problem here, it should demand exacting definition of the issue.

I too, have made my share of mistakes early on. I rushed into some bad deals like anyone, but that does not qualify me to go pointing fingers at others and making vague and uncalled for accusations.

I will cheerfully retain any of these, in my collection should they not sell. I bought them with a vast amount of carefully considered experience under my belt too. I am satisfied that they are all originals.

If there is some empirical data and facts about a specific individual item which conclusively convinced me an item was a replica, I would take this evidence seriously. Why not enlighten us all in print and pictures, since you are so eager to demonstrate your expertise?

I am certain everyone here, will be fascinated by your presentation and benefit from your sharing this empirical wisdom.

I was not there when the German firms in dozens if not hundreds of workshop sites, made various patterns and samples of every insignia known to Germany. This taking place over more than a decade in a totally uniformed and mobilized state of 80,000,000 people, the vast majority of which were in some kind of uniform or another.

I also do not have a guide to every single solitary pattern of SS Eagle and a sample of every thread color and type and every backing wool ever shipped and used. I dare say that this expert also is not fully acquainted with every nuance of every type and model of SS Sleeve eagle ever executed.

I do, however have over 120 EM sleeve eagles which I acquired quite carefully over the last 37 years. The reason I have them, is because they were my personal collection and never were for sale until this summer. When my extras are gone, I am finished, as unlike dealers I am not seeking restocking items. So what I am offering here is collection, not store stock.

I bought at least 5 eagles in models which experts in the past debunked as bad. I bought them not by the opinion of some expert, but with a logical process of decision making. Years later they are being blessed one after another by the same type of experts. NOW THAT THEY THEMSELVES, HAVE FINALLY ACQUIRED AN EXAMPLE OF THE TYPE!

So for the bigshots of this hobby, all of our stuff is junk and fakes, and theirs is the only 'good stuff'. Sound familiar?

The ultimate responsibility for the decisions you make in life are your own responsibility..Get expertise and make sound decisions based on the best guess and information you have. Remember to listen to your gut. Remember too, that an opinion of what to invest your money in, is worth exactly what the expert charged you for his opinion.

JPic79 · Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 6

If you are the one selling the eagles then you are Chuck Warriner. We met years ago 1980s at the Great Western when you approached me to ask if a uniform I had was for sale. You were friends with Michael Valentine and you are also a long time aquaintance of Scott B. of Traders of the lost surplus. I remember you well as do many other collectors. Although I never bought from you for the very reason that your reputation as told to me by others really isnt very good.Any one can do a search of your name on some of the other forums and get a better picture. Yes you have had some nice items but you have also been caught out selling fake garbage. That you had to type such a long defense of your eagles here in reponse to my simple opinion speaks volumes.This is my opinion people can take it for face value I am no expert or dealer just a long time collector.My opinion is free to anyone who asks.I dont care if you sell here or anywhere but if an item is bad I will point it out to thse asking. That said.. there are some good ones mixed into the bunch people just need to be careful.

darren · Joined: 16 Jul 2007 Posts: 6

Ouch! Now things are getting interesting!

geo2 · Joined: 11 Aug 2007 Posts: 4

I don't know if I would call it 'interesting'. I think it's 'disturbing' when one collector smears another with accusations and then doesn't back them up. If you have a problem with the material someone is selling and want to complain about him on a forum, then you should be specific with your accusations and not just spit out some rumors you have heard. Gandi could be in this hobby and someone would be calling him a crook. Give me specifics or shut the hell up!

JPic79 · Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 6

Do your own homework,look his name up on various forums.I dont need to back my opinions up they are valid enough for me you wanna buy the eagles you put the money where your mouth is and do it. Rolling Eyes

Combat Relics · Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 161

First I would like to state that it is nice to see persons with the ability to reason on this forum. Obviously you are reading and digesting this information. I hope we can keep this site a more civilized community than some other places I have visited. Most of the sites seem to be bickering grounds full of negative feelings. I am wondering what the benefits of being involved in all of that are?

Nobody has ever asked for my position on any defamation about me, which I have seen in a couple of postings online, but that does not concern me. Anybody can slander people and get away with it most of the time. What can any of us do about something like that?

This person seems full of eagerness to support loose talk by others. I will not resort to a mindless and graceless attack on him or others. It serves no good purpose. I am here for other reasons, not to create fake drama.

If as he says he knows nothing much about me, he is certainly willing to believe anything he hears that is negative. Just as he is eager to state that things are fakes though he is unwilling to educate us from his brilliance as to why that is his opinion.

I selected each and every one of those eagles from what was available, and they were in my own collection. If any of you do not want any of them, that is fine with me. I have no problem keeping them.

I think my philosophy is reflected in my postings. I offer an inspection which is far longer than the standard 3-day (that the hobby commonly used for 30+ years) Plenty of time to have any expert you actually trust, bless the item for you.
If a purchase does not please you, I ask nothing except the return of my item undamaged No reason is needed to justify returning an item, for a full cash refund. Is that fair? No restocking fees. No gimmicks, just your money back if you are not happy.

I once had a guy demand to return an item after owning it 3 FULL YEARS! I made him wait nearly a month for the refund, but I gave him back every penny he spent on the item. My reward? He posted on the forums that it took 3 years to GET THE REFUND. Not a word about waiting 3 years to ask for it. That is the forums for you...and no I don't feel the need to bandy his name about. But I don't offer a 3 year inspection period. If you, and your pal, and an expert cannot figure it out in 2-3 weeks, All of you need a new hobby.

All of my postings are long, and thoughtfully worded. I am not defending against the attacks, I am stating my opinion and supporting my reasoning.

You guys are not stupid, you see what is said and who is making the effort to be fairminded and thoughtful about what he is writing. Thanks for the comments.

JPic79 · Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 6

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82587&highlight=Chuck+Warriner

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37329&highlight=Chuck+Warriner

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220&highlight=Chuck+Warriner

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139610&highlight=Chuck+Warriner

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142993&highlight=Chuck+Warriner

I dont need to expound these say it all. If this forum and venue supports such people I do not wish to be a part of it.

Combat Relics · Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 161

Ah at last absolute proof.... that people tend to parrot anything they hear and modify it to make it more interesting.

In the fine tradition of the American who must be right but is too lazy to bother making his case with logic, we receive links. ( the same fine tradition of one who cannot capitalize or punctuate his writings correctly)

Several of these comments link my name to items I have never laid eyes on. Making similar libelous and damaging statements about many, many other people seems to be a universal occupation on that website.

I note that not one time, does any one of these people ever admit that (whether or not any of what they say is true, to any degree) that they failed to transact on an item, using due diligence on their own part as a collector in a field rife with questionable items.

I am wondering what the wall street investor forums would look like with these guys playing the stock market. 'I invested in United Airlines and lost my ass, it is all their fault, because I was holding out till it reached 1000!'

Hey guys, time to grow up and realize we are all on our own. Admit your own mistakes and deal with it. We are all buying in the same marketplace. We are all aware that it is an area requiring knowledge and caution.

It seems as if people are saying, that they are ignorant and lack knowledge and it is everybody's fault but their own.

While engaging in an orgy of unsupported and generally non-specific comments, may do something for the participants, it is just that, so much gossip about 'he said she said'.

One of these Einsteins, brought a piece back for a refund 3 years after buying it. If it WAS 'bad', why not return it right away? In any case, for giving him his full refund within a month of his request, he posted that it took him 3 years to get it. NOT that it took him 3 years to request it.

What you will note, is that whether or not the piece did or did not have issues, every buyer got the refund.

I guess bitching about me standing behind a piece, which someone says I made a mistake on, (And That person in his own brilliance did as well!) Is the cherry on top.

Largely it sounds as if these people need a scapegoat for their buying mistakes, EVEN if the pieces they are complaining about and referring to were not bought from me.

Most are hidden behind fake names and most are unknown to me. My name is on my listings and my terms are fair. My pictures are revealing. What about this is not above board?

This guy, seems to have a need to create drama and assert his presence, but has nothing relevant of his own experience with me, to complain about. The need to attack someone, is in his nature. I wish him good luck with that. Where I live we call that beast a bully.

I guess like most people he feels the need to belong to a herd. A group that he can hide in for a false sense of securtiy. I am certain that great group of slanderers he admires so much, will sell him nothing but 100% bargain priced original and rare items.

As I have said in other postings, I have made my share of mistakes both in buying and selling. Who among you has not?

As to this poster's last statement, about deserting this site to its tragic fate. What exactly is he bringing to this site? What will the site lose if he leaves? He is not buying or selling.

He does not give us useful information or share his knowledge. He just makes simple statements designed to create a presence for him. He will not respond to specific issues, He just relies on libelous unsubstantiated generalizations and slanderous comments to support his rant.

So if he does not want to be involved here, with all of us, there is the door, it is a free country, until those who are always right take it over.

The Thicket · Joined: 17 Jul 2007 Posts: 96 Location: Right Here.

#1, Seller, your response's have been that of a True Gentleman, something very much lacking in todays collecting market.
GOOD for YOU!

boseefus · Joined: 14 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

i've been reading this forum from the start but just signed up. i would like to second thickets remarks. don't get too personal.

	Militaria Forum Forum Index -> The SS	All times are GMT Goto page 1, 2 Next
Page 1 of 2