Deadbeat seller

101world · Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 12

I know dealers and sellers hate non-buyers,,or should I say non-payers,,,people who make a deal then dont pay,,well I just experienced the opposite,Mr Wayne Phillipson and I reaced an agreement on a couple of flags(F6220 and F6219) page 7,, the other day and when I asked him his address to send payment he said he sold them,,,my offer was about 75 bucks less than his asking price,,,so I hope his reputation was worth it.

jafc · Joined: 12 Jul 2007 Posts: 8

Renegeing on a done deal is not cool! I'll keep it in mind and hope others will too. Thanks for the tip. Sad

RIECHS01 · Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 2

WAYNE PHILLIPS HERE; I HAD NOTHING SET IN STONE WITH THIS GUY! SOMEONE ELSE MADE A OFFER BEFORE HIM AND THE OTHER GUY EMAILED ME BACK FIRST;PLUS TIMOTHY GUSTAFSON TOLD ME HOME HE WAS MOVING AND COULD NOT GIVE ME A ADDRESS BAH BAH BAH. IM A STAND UP GUY!! AND WILL NOT BURN ANYBODY HE IS MAD BECAUSE HE DIDNT GET THEM. I JOINED THIS SITE TO BUY AND SELL MILITARIA NOT LISTEN TO CRY BABYS

Hillbilly Bill · Joined: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 13

There ya go.
There's TWO sides to every story.
All the cards are on the table.

Bill Hill

101world · Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 12

Geez,, wayne what part of "sure I'll take 475 for both" dont you understand?,,,sounds like a deal was made to me! and yes i am in the middle of a move and like I said by the time my check clears I would be able to to furnish you with one,,,
I have bought from no less than 3 different individuals here,,and they all got there payments asap as agreed,,,havent you ever moved before wayne? Its a stressful time ,,If you were a "standup" guy you would realize this,,,and then to top if it all off he has the balls to offer me some repro pole tops,,,,sorry wayne,,i'm just reporting the facts here. you reniged on a deal plain and simple!

RIECHS01 · Joined: 26 Jul 2008 Posts: 2

WAH WAH BAH BAH BAH BOO HOO SNIVEL SNIVEL AND YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MEAN SQUAT TO ME IF YOU EVER COME TO DETROIT LOOK ME UP I WOULD BE GLAD TO TALK FACE TO FACE SO KEEP HIDING BEHIDE YOUR COMPUTER AND RUNNING YOUR MOUTH. P. S. ILL PICK YOU UP FROM THE AIRPORT .........LOVE WAYNE

101world · Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 12

Never argue with an idiot, he will only drag you down to his level. I believe this saying applies here,, I digress

der Adler · Joined: 25 Aug 2007 Posts: 3

You both have had you say. It seems like an unfortunate misunderstanding. Why don't you let it go and move on. I would hate to see this forum go the way of some others with collectors just using it to throw insults back and forth. What we need here is more talk about the collectibles and less talk about the collectors.

Dave · Joined: 14 Mar 2008 Posts: 70

[quote:7b6a3ed83c="der Adler"]You both have had you say. It seems like an unfortunate misunderstanding. Why don't you let it go and move on. I would hate to see this forum go the way of some others with collectors just using it to throw insults back and forth. What we need here is more talk about the collectibles and less talk about the collectors.[/quote:7b6a3ed83c] I have to agree on this one.

Hillbilly Bill · Joined: 09 Jul 2008 Posts: 13

Agree to disagree and move on.
101world Did not get items and lost no money at all.
REICHS01 sold his items and lost a customer forever.
The deal went sideways, this stuff will not make it better.

Bill Hill

Combat Relics · Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 161

I do not see this forum, as a place to have a showdown or an argument!
I just read this thread, and I see how it descends into chaos because 2 people do not watch what they are saying to each other. They prefer instead to publicly incite each other.

It is an impolite argument. It basically becomes a pissing match with both guys asserting they are right.The two protagonists seem to go out of their way to antagonize each other, to the point of inviting each other to get physical.

A perfect example of what we have been trying to avoid here. Is it so important to be 'right' that we must insult each other? Nothing positive, redeeming, or resolving was achieved by this bickering.

Jasper · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

Come on people! How many time does it take to make everyone understand that this forum program does not recognize quote marks? I know it's in inconvenience and I emailed Bob about it. He said it's a quirk of the program and he can't do anything about it. If you would all use a double ' instead of quotes it sure would make it easier to read the posts. And we should all read our posts after they are up and look for errors so we can edit them. Wake up guys!

And by the way, it looks like the two main characters in this little drama should kiss and make up. Appears to me a simple case of ''failure to communicate''.

101world · Joined: 19 Jun 2008 Posts: 12

I told myself that I would digress from this thread,,but I feel the need to respond to the previous 2 posts...
Mr combat relics,,If you would kindly re-read my previous posts,,I did at no time call Mr Phillips any names,,with the exception of the title,,,
I saw his items for sale, sent him an emai with an offer,,he replied to my email saying,,and I quote: sure I'll take 475 for both....does that sound to you like a deal was made???? I sure think so because I have done business with you in the past and thats pretty much how our dealings went..basicly if a seller accepts an offer then the deal is made...period.

If you reneg on the deal,,then you are a deadbeat!,,,,period. I call it like I see it. I was not being impolite not do I choose to use this forum as a crying room,,,a seller reneged on a deal and I used the apropriate forum to warn other buyers,,thats the intent of the forum is it not?? If this incident happened to someone other than myself,,I surely would like to know. Geez,,,we are supposed to be active in this forum and when I am I get a beating,,I can see why the experienced guys stay away,,instead of dealing with all this drama.
Also at no point did I invite him to get physical!!! if you read carefully a monkey in a tree can see who id being untruthful

Jasper,, are you an English teacher?? I didnt know that quotation marks didnt work on this forum,,I apologize,,no need to get on my case about it,,sorry I'm not as smart as you,,,,I'm finished here...Tim

Combat Relics · Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 161

My point was that this forum section should be used for the posting of a alert to a bad practice.

My comments were regarding the bickering in public.
If the intent is to warn other collectors of a bad situation, make the message pertinent to that situation.

If a person has a problem, it is best to compose a message regarding the facts of the issue. Proofread it for accuracy and facts. Make sure the message will convey what the intended reader needs to know.

A person responding to a complaint should also state his position and point of view without baiting the posting member.

It is obvious that the deal did not get executed to the satisfaction of both people. So my point is this, will it do any good to bicker and hassle each other in public? Does either of you think you will 'win' something here on the forum?

Nobody is declaring either of you to be correct. We readers, are not involved!
What we do take from the documentation you put before us, is an impression of how each of you handled the issue and how you are treating each other.

In the internet age people seem to feel entitled to say or do anything they wish. I believe that the membership of the forum would have a far more favorable impression of both of you if you had stated your complaint and response in a manner befitting adults.

Tim, I understand your position, and I sympathize. A lot of factors can affect a deal like this. If a guy says it is a deal, and you both agree on all the details, it should be a done deal. Both people should follow through and get it done promptly. Any unresolved issues keep it from being a contract. I do not know the details of your deal so I cannot say if you actually had a valid contract. If you have the iron will to win, you can persue the legal remedies under the law. That, my friend, is reality.

On a personal note, I would like to inform the forum members that when not inflamed with outrage, you are a nice guy and easy to work with. I think it is a mistake to blame the site and its members for not 'winning' this for you, and for you to quit the site.

We cannot march in a gang to a guy's house and demand justice.
Seems like a lot of bridges to burn, over a couple flags you did not get.
I hope you find a way to cope with this event.

Wayne, insults are a poor substitute for a reasonable and factual reply. If the deal was not a 'DEAL' in your mind, politely explaining why, would have left us all with a far better impression of your professionalism, and dedication to customer service.

My posting on Monday, was an edited version of my earlier posting regarding similar squabbling on WAF. I used it specifically because this situation was handled in the same manner. Two guys go at it as if there is something to win or prove. Rampant insults and name calling, but in the end nothing actually resolved.

Nobody here is against either of you.

Jasper · Joined: 24 Aug 2007 Posts: 6

I don't think 101world is saying he is quiting the site, but that he has just had enough of this argument. At least, that's what I hope he ment.

His comment and Combat Relic's understanding, or misunderstanding of it, did bring to mind something that happened a few months ago. I had a collector tell me that he had bought a bad piece off this site and the seller would not give him a refund. As a result he said he was not going to use the site any more. I asked him if he had notificed the site administrator about it. He said no. I asked if he had posted anything on the forum about it; no. The way I see it he really did nothing but ask for a refund, was refuesed, and that was that. To blame the site for that doesn't make any sence to me. He should have followed throught more. Not using this site any more because of one bad deal is juvinile. It would be the same as if you went to a gun show, bought a helmet, got home, found the helmet was bad, and said were were not going to go to that gun show any more. Goofy! If you feel like that you might as well just go all the way and say that because you bought one bad piece from a collector, you're not going to buy from collectors any more.

In this hobby you can only rely on others so far. In the end we're all responsible for what happens to us. I sometimes think that there are some collectors who would be better off if they got out of the hobby altogether. They're just not mentally able to handle the ''personal responsibility'' required. I'm not talking about the two guy in this situation, but speaking in general.

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